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    Default OTA big old antenna

    guys we have this old antenna with motor to turn, problem is I am not sure or direction which end should face which way? See pic. There is a wide end, then a end that takes the shape of a arrow. I am in Toronto on the west side, not sure in order to get every channel I point towards Toronto or Buffalo, and as mentioned which way points where? Also can I expect to get every channel out there, 2,4,7,9,11,23,29,41,57,49, etc?
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    Red face Re: OTA big old antenna

    use the small end for direction of signal.only uhf for digital tv.

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    Default Re: OTA big old antenna

    I have the wide end facing between buffalo and Toronto, it seems to be OK, but I want to tweak.

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    Default Re: OTA big old antenna

    Have a look here.

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    Default Re: OTA big old antenna

    It points just like you would expect it to point..like an arrow. Small end from the V forward is the UHF area. The larger area behind the V is the VHF and is not used with Digital.
    All our Digital OTA channels in the GTA are UHF. You should get 26-30 Digital from TO/Buf average.
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    Default Re: OTA big old antenna

    So in order to get Buffalo and Toronto should I point in the middle or point more toward Toronto or Buffalo? Thanks for the helps guys.

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    Default Re: OTA big old antenna

    Quote Originally Posted by keegster17 View Post
    So in order to get Buffalo and Toronto should I point in the middle or point more toward Toronto or Buffalo? Thanks for the helps guys.
    Get a rotor for it and then you could fine tune them in.
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    Default Re: OTA big old antenna

    I have one, was just looking for a general spot to aim.

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    Depends on your exact location but yes between them (or a bit closer to Buffalo direction) would be about the general area.
    Use your Rotor and play around a bit to find the best location. You should syncronize your rotor first if it hasn't been used in a while.
    Instructions are on the bottom of the rotor box however the jist is to go all the way to the North Clockwise and let it finish. Then go North Counter-clockwise and let it finish. Then back down to south. Then go to where you believe the approx location should be for Buf/TO.

    Do a scan on your TV and see what ya get.
    Should get about 26-30 channels.

    2.1 Buffalo WGRZ-HD NBC (HD) (DD)
    2.2 Buffalo WGRZ-AT Antenna TV (SD) (DD)
    4.1 Buffalo WIVB-HD CBS (HD) (DD)
    5.1 Toronto CBLT-DT CBC (HD) (DD)
    7.1 Buffalo WKBW-HD ABC (HD) (DD)
    8.1 Rochester WROC-DT CBS (HD) (DD)
    9.1 Toronto CFTO-HD CTV (HD) (DD)
    10.1 Rochester WHEC-DT NBC (HD) (DD)
    10.2 Rochester ME-TV ME-TV (SD) (DD)
    10.3 Rochester WHEC-WX Weather (SD) (DD)
    11.1 Hamilton CHCH-DT (HD) (DD)
    13.1 Rochester WHAM-HD ABC (HD) (DD)
    13.2 Rochester WHAM-DT2 CW (HD) (DD)
    15.1 WNYB-SD TCT (SD) (DD)
    15.2 WNYB-HD TCT (HD) (DD)
    15.3 WNYB-Family TCT Family (SD) (DD)
    15.4 WNYB- La Fuen TCT (SD) (DD)
    17.1 Buffalo WNED PBS PBS (HD) (DD)
    17.2 Buffalo WNED PBS PBS (SD) (DD)
    17.3 Buffalo WNED Think Bright (SD) (DD)
    19.1 Toronto TVO TVO (HD) (DD)
    21.1 Buffalo WXXI Kids (HD) (DD)
    21.2 Buffalo WXXI World (SD) (DD)
    21.3 Buffalo WXXI-C Create (SD) (DD)
    23.1 Buffalo WNLO CW (HD) (DD)
    25.1 Toronto CBLFT CBC French (HD) (DD)
    26.x Repeats of 15
    29.1 Buffalo WUTV FOX Fox (HD) (DD)
    29.2 Buffalo CTN Country (SD) (DD)
    31.1 Buffalo WUHF (HD) (DD)
    36.1 Toronto CTS (HD) (DD)
    40.1 Toronto OMNI-2 OMNI 2 (HD) (DD)
    41.1 Toronto CIII-HD Global (HD) (DD)
    41.2 Toronto CIII-SD Global (SD) (DD)
    47.1 Toronto CFMT OMNI 1 (HD) (DD)
    49.1 Buffalo WNYO-HD (HD) (DD)
    49.2 Buffalo WNYO CoolTV (SD) (DD)
    51.1 Batavia ION TV ION (HD) (DD)
    51.2 Batavia QUBO Qubo (SD) (DD)
    51.3 Batavia ION LIFE ION Life (SD) (DD)
    51.4 Batavia SHOPTV Shop TV
    57.1 Toronto CITY-57 CityTV (HD) (DD)
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    Thanks whatsup. You have been on a roll answering a lot of my questions lately. lol.

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    Default Re: OTA big old antenna

    i messed around for a bit. i had best success with wide end towards buffalo. no luck with channel 57, 2, or 7. the others would come in moving around a bit. could it be my wiring. i have no clue what wire is what color into box? and it says green goes to one, red, to two, etc. just and example not in that particular order. this is a 10 year old set up. but the i think i should get all the channels, it is a huge antenna, about 30 feet high..

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    The colored wires are for the rotor. If rotor is turning then you don;t need to mess with those wires. If its not turning then you can try different combinations unless your comfortable going up and checking the proper hookup on the rotor itself. If its Red, White & Black (1 -2 - 3) up top then it needs to be same on the controller. However you cannot damage anything by trying. If you have it reversed then it will turn the opposite way you turn it.

    The wire from the Antenna to the TV is really what counts however. A good quality RG6 is desired. This is what you need to look at.
    If you don't feel comfortable climbing up (30 feet is a small one) then perhaps looking up a professional is best for you to get your system in top shape.
    I've been up 8 systems this week..all being over 40 with the highest being 60 (6 sections)
    30 is a baby !!!
    Your tower is Delhi 18 guage..good quality. The Antenna however is a small uhf/vhf/fm combo head but should still be fine for the urban GTA area.

    Other than the wiring, a preamp will really help however you need to install one piece up near the antenna so you must be comfortable going up there and working or hire someone to install for you.
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    a little more about setup.. i am using channel master 9521, the rg6 is older stuff, brittle coating, could be better. I have the antenna split three ways, I am wondering if that is my issue? moving the rotor now seems so sensitive in terms of getting channels. I am near the lake in toronto, i am facing the antenna between toronto and buffalo, but closer to buffalo, as soon as i go left or right slightly, i either lose buffalo stations or vice versa, never seemed to have that problem. seemed at one time we got majority in one position. yeah climbing to see wiring is not a option, to high, there is the three way wiring very thin wires going into channel master but no colors to know what goes where, but rotor turns left and right. main problem now is channels pixilate as though the signal is weak, but at the same time depending where i aim I have gotton more channels. but once again the fat end of antenna facing between buffalo and toronto seems to be best bet, makes me wonder if wiring is reversing things?

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    The RG6 is what carries the signal..you can't reverse anything.
    The small end is the end that should be pointed to Tor/Buf but its not uncommon to pick up off the back end of the Antenna. Its just usually better when its facing in the proper direction. Like I said in a previous post your antenna is a little on the small side. A bay antenna and a preamp might be a better bet for you however if your not willing to climb then you will have to get someone else to do it for you. Save and Replay in Mississauga Ontario could help you out with a Channel Master 4228 or DB8 bay antenna and a Channel Master preamp and get you closwr to the list I posted. Its worth spending the money to upgrade. The world of OTA (especially in the GTA) is amazing if you have a good setup !!

    As for the flat rotor wire, one end will have silver trace in it..thats #1 typically and the rest go in the order they appear.
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    Default Re: OTA big old antenna

    to small, wow, this thing is huge in my mind. lol. any thought to why I would get more channels at the larger end? I will take another look at the three wires, as far as I remember they were all looking exactly the same. The antenna is about ten years old, would I have more success with a more current model? or are is this one fine? and what about splitting it three times, could this be weakening the signal? I did notice the front antenna pointers is down possibly broken, could this be a issue?

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